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The L.D.S Church still teaches marriage for eternity, but no longer pushes the issue of polygamy. They still teach that the Church completely disappeared in the 1st century and was restored again hundreds of years later through Joseph Smith. This of course is contrary to what the bible said would happen. The Mormon Church still teaches that we had a pre-mortal life before this one. (Also unbiblical) The Mormon Church used to practice blood atonement which it no longer teaches. These are the topics discussed that you will find on this page.

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Overview of content in this section is as follows:

The Church did not need to be restored
God's foreknowledge not pre-existence
Marriage for eternity and polygamy
Blood Atonement

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LDS restoration

THE CHURCH DID NOT NEED TO BE RESTORED; IT NEVER LEFT

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According to Mormonism Christ's church was non-existent soon after the apostles and was restored upon the earth in the 1800s through Joseph Smith. Following are some quote from L.D.S. sources.

Pearl of Great Price, by Joseph Smith, 2:17-19 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 919)

  • “17) It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other — This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him! 18) My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong) — and which I should join. 19) I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were am abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Here in L.D.S. scripture we find that Joseph Smith declared that he should not join any of the churches in his day because they were all wrong, and their creeds were an abomination to the Lord.

D&C 1:29-30 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 569)

  • “29) And after having received the record of the Nephites, yea, even my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., might have power to translate through the mercy of God, by the power of God, the Book of Mormon. 30) And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually…”

This L.D.S. scripture shows that Joseph Smith was to be used to lay the foundation of the Lord's church.

Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 43 43 (PDF pg. 19)

  • “APOSTASY

This universal apostasy began in the days of the ancient apostles themselves.

According to this Mormon Apostle, apostasy (when the church disappeared from the face of the earth) began in the first century.

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.4

  • “TRUE AND LIVING CHURCH

However, as Christ and his apostles had prophesied, the ‘true’ Church they established was lost from the earth through apostasy (JS—M 1:7-9, 22; 2 Thes. 2:3). Therefore there was a need for a restoration. Guided by angelic messengers and by revelation from God, Joseph Smith and his successors have reestablished Christ's Church in these ‘latter days.’ Members bear testimony that the Church is true because they believe it is the restored Church of Christ, with the same authority, teachings, organization, and spirit found in the Church that the Savior originally established.”

The Bible does tell us of a falling away in the last days. It does not, however, declare that Christ's church would disappear altogether from the face of the earth.

Isaiah 9:6-7 

  • “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on His shoulders; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.”

What is His government? It is His rule or dominion that will increase, and there will be no end. God rules over and has dominion over His church. God says there will be no end to this government from the time of Christ is born till forevermore. He does not say, “There will be a break in this government for almost 2,000 years, and then I will restore it through Joseph Smith.”

Ephesians 3:21

  • “…to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen.”

            (In this verse, Paul declares, to God be the glory in the church and in Jesus forever.)

Luke 1:32-33

  • "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end."

1 Corinthians 4:20

  • “For the kingdom of God does not consist in words, but in power.”

(In Luke, an angel declares that Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom would have no end. Paul declares in his letter to the Corinthians that the kingdom of God consists of power. Are we to believe that the Lord had no power upon the earth for almost 2,000 years, and that there was a multiple generation gap of Jesus' reign over the house of Jacob?)

Matthew 16:18

  • "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it.”

The Rock is Christ; 1 Corinthians 10:4

  • “…and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.”

Here we see that Christ’s church is even stronger than the gates of Hell. Nothing or no one can break Christ’s church, not even for a short time. God the Father, Jesus in the flesh, an Angel, and Paul — all indicated there would be no end to Christ's church. There was no indication or implication that there would be a break; why restore something that is not gone? Throughout the judgment in the book of Isaiah, God leaves a remnant, a few people. In Chapters 6-9 of Genesis, which discusses God’s flooding of the world, he saved Noah and his family. When God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah, He spared Lot and his daughters (Genesis 18 and 19).  Elijah thought he was the only one left who served God, yet God said he reserved 7,000 others (1 Kings 19:13-18).God has always been capable of keeping His followers from being wiped out, and He promised to do so. 

Yet along comes Joseph Smith, who says that the church is gone and insists that God gave him a whole new revelation. Joseph then builds a new church; one that does not believe the doctrines found in the Bible.

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LDS pre existence

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IE- before you were born, LDS pre earth life)

GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE NOT PRE-EXISTENCE

The Mormon Church teaches that all people were first born in the spirit world through heavenly parents, prior to being born on this earth. Following are a couple of L.D.S. sources that show this belief.

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.3

  • “PRE-EXISTENCE

[The term ‘pre-existence,’ or more accurately, ‘premortal existence,’ refers to a period of individual conscious and accountable life before birth into mortality on this earth. It is Latter-day Saint doctrine that living things existed as individual spirit beings and possessed varying degrees of intelligence in an active, conscious spirit state before mortal birth and that the spirit continues to live and function in the mortal body. The revelations teach that premortal spirit bodies have general resemblance to their physical counterparts.”

Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 1, pg. 7

  • “In an article published in ‘The Improvement Era’ President Joseph F. Smith and his counselors John B. Winer and Anthon H. Lund said the following in relation to Adam: ‘Adam; our progenitor, the first man, was like Christ, a pre-existent spirit, and like Christ he took upon him an appropriate body, the body of a man, a “living soul”. The doctrine of the pre-existence — revealed so plainly, particularly in latter days — pours a wonderful flood of light upon the otherwise mysterious problem of man’s origin. It shows that a man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal body to undergo experience in mortality. It teaches that all men existed in the spirit before any man existed in the flesh, and that all who have inhabited the earth since Adam have taken bodies and become souls in like manner.’”

Bible pre-existence

The Bible tells us that God has always existed. In the Bible, we can find that angels are created, yet pre-date mankind. We also find that God has knowledge of events before they take place. Furthermore, God knows details about people before they are even born. We can show from the Bible that God has perfect detailed knowledge of the future. Nowhere does the Bible teach that mortal man has existed in any other state prior to being conceived by our mortal parents here on this earth. In fact, the Bible indicates that our spirits were formed within our bodies while we were in our mother's wombs; before this we did not exist. Consider the following passages from the Bible.

Romans 4:17

  • “… (as it is written, ‘A father of many nations have I made you’) in the sight of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.”

Psalm 139:16

  • “Thine eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Thy book they were all written, the days that were ordained for me when as yet there was not one of them.

Isaiah 44:24

  • “Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, ‘I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by myself, and spreading out the earth all alone…’”

Zechariah 12:1

  • “The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him…”

            We can glean the following from the previously quoted passages in the Bible.

  • That which does not exist as we see in Romans 4:17 is a pretty strong statement and the context is people. It does not even give room for the belief of existing in some other form.
  • It seems the spirit is created in the womb (Isaiah 44:24 and Zechariah 12:1). The body of man would have to exist before the spirit, if God "forms the spirit of man within him".
  • In Psalm 139:16 we see that man did not have a body beforehand. (I say that because a body is not an "unformed substance".) In this same Psalm we see he did not yet have any days.
  • We are formed in the womb (Isaiah 44:24) and our spirit is formed within the body (Zechariah 12:1). Before that we did not exist (Romans 4:17).

God has always been able to see the past, the present, and the future. We can sometimes see in Scripture that God has knowledge of people’s future. For example, we are told in Isaiah 44:28- 45:1 about Cyrus. This is a prophecy that came true, although Cyrus was not yet born; the prophecy was fulfilled about 160 years later. Because God knew Cyrus by name does not mean he had a pre-existence. It simply means God knows the future.

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Marriage for eternity

Mormon polygamy and Eternal Marriage

The following is a statement by Brigham Young, from pgs. 268-269 of the August 19, 1866 Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11:"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (PDF pg. 277)

Some people in the Old Testament did have more than one wife, but this practice was never condoned by God, and certainly never commanded by God. The leaders in the Mormon Church ignored the New Testament on this matter altogether.

1 Timothy 3:2

  • An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach…”

1 Timothy 3:12

  • Let deacons be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.”

Titus 1:5-7

  • “For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might set in order what remains, and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain…”

LDS polygamy

Joseph Smith used the polygamous practices of David and Solomon as justification for polygamy. But this is a very direct contradiction to the teachings of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon also contradicts the Doctrine & Covenants.

Jacob 2:23-24 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 139)

  • “But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abdominable before me, saith the Lord.”

D&C 132:1 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 832)

  • “Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines…”

D&C 132:39 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 836)

  • David's wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.”

We have read that Brigham Young said that you have to practice polygamy to become a God. The Bible says a church leader should only have one wife. The Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants contradict each other on the same subject! If you have to be married in the L.D.S. temple to reach exaltation, why, then, did Jesus say the following?

Matthew 22:30

  • "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”

Matthew 19:12

  • "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."

I would think that Jesus would want me to reach exaltation. But according to His statement, I would say that He is either not concerned about this, or it is not true that I must be married in the L.D.S. temple to reach exhalation. Or, perhaps there is no exaltation.

Paul also said things that would seem to conflict with this Mormon concept.

1 Corinthians 7:8

“But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.”

The reason why Paul said it was good to be single is explained later in this chapter.

1 Corinthians 7:32-33

  • “But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife…”

Now, I know there is nothing wrong with being married, as Paul also said in this chapter. But the verses do seem to conflict with the idea that one must be married in the L.D.S. temple in order to reach exaltation. If a person must be married in the temple why would Paul say that it is good to be single, and able to focus more on the Lord?

It’s true that the L.D.S. church no longer practices polygamy. I bring the topic up only to show that such “theology” came from a man who claimed to be a prophet of God. Likewise, the fact that the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants contradict each other is significant, because they too are regarded as the word of God to L.D.S .D&C also contradicts The Holy Bible.

D&C 132:65 (PDF LDS Scripture pg. 839)

  • “Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take Hagar to wife.”

The Bible says nothing about God commanding Abraham to take Hagar to wife. Rather, we are told Abram listened to Sarai.

Genesis 16:2

  • “So Sarai said to Abram, ‘Now behold, the LORD has prevented me from bearing children. Please go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children through her.’ And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai.”

In verse 5 it is clear that Abram and Sarai sinned in this matter.

Genesis 16:5

  • “And Sarai said to Abram, ‘May the wrong done me be upon you. I gave my maid into your arms; but when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her sight. May the LORD judge between you and me.’”

Although some of the kings in the Old Testament had many wives, the Bible itself condemned this practice.

Deuteronomy 17:17

  • "Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly increase silver and gold for himself.”

There is no mention of any of the Apostles practicing polygamy.1 Timothy 3:2-12 and Titus 1:5-6 indicate that they should only have one wife. Just because some people are recorded in the Old Testament as practicing polygamy does not mean that the practice is right, in the sight of God. When a book such as Doctrine and Covenants or Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, rest assured that it is not the Bible that is wrong.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, pgs.127-128 (PDF pg. 136)

  • “Brigham Young, June 18, 1865

“The founders of that ancient empire were robbers and women stealers, and made laws favoring monogamy in consequence of the scarcity of women among them, and hence this monogamic system which now prevails throughout all Christendom, and which has been so fruitful a source of prostitution and whoredom throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World, until rottenness and decay are at the root of their institutions both national and religious.  Polygamy did not have its origin with Joseph Smith, but it existed from the beginning.  So far as I am concerned as an individual, I did not ask for it; I never desired it; and if I ever had a trial of my faith in the world, it was when Joseph Smith revealed that doctrine to me; and I had to pray incessantly and exercise faith before the Lord until He revealed to me the truth, and I was satisfied.  I say this at the present time for the satisfaction of both saint and sinner. Now, here are the commandments of the Lord, and here are the wishes of wicked men, which shall we obey?  It is the Lord and them for it.”
Does this sound like a prophet of God to you?

Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, pgs.50-51 (PDF pg. 58)

  • “Brigham Young, April 9, 1852

“Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner!  When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.”

This is a different story from that which is related in Genesis. According to the Bible, God created Adam and Eve. Compare what Joseph F. Smith says in the next two statements to what Brigham Young said ("The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." —Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, pgs.268-269). (PDF pg. 277)

Journal of Discourses, Vol.20, pgs.29-30 (PDF pg. 37)

  • “Joseph F. Smith, July 7, 1878

“If, then, this principle was of such great importance that the Prophet himself was threatened with destruction, and the best men in the Church with being excluded from the favor of the Almighty, if they did not enter into and establish the practice of it upon the earth, it is useless to tell me that there is no blessing attached to obedience to the law, or that a man with only one wife can obtain as great a reward, glory or kingdom as he can with more than one, being equally faithful.”

Journal of Discourses, Vol.20, pg.31 (PDF pg. 39)

  • “Joseph F. Smith, July 7, 1878

“I understand the law of celestial marriage to mean that every man in this Church, who has the ability to obey and practice it in righteousness and will not, shall be damned, I say I understand it to mean this and nothing less, and I testify in the name of Jesus that it does mean that.”

I understand that some of these statements might seem offensive to you. I did not copy this to offend the reader, but rather to point out that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are not prophets of God. I came to this conclusion because of their own statements. It is not wrong for me to point out L.D.S scriptures in contradiction with each other; all truth should be able to stand the test. The Bible has had numerous critics, and the truth of it shines all the more. This will continue to be true, because the Bible is the Word of God.

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Mormon blood atonement

LDS BLOOD ATONEMENT

The Mormon Church used to teach for some sins your own blood must be spilled

Journal of Discourses Vol.3, pg.247, (Brigham Young, March 16, 1856) (PDF pg. 255)

“You say, ‘That man ought to die for transgressing the law of God. ‘Let me suppose a case.  Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God.  I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.  But you who trifle with your covenants, be careful lest in judging you will be judged.

“Every man and women has got to have clean hands and pure heart, to execute judgment, else they had better let the matter alone.

“Again, suppose the parties are not caught in their iniquity, and it passes along unnoticed, shall I have compassion on them?  Yes, I will have compassion on them, for transgressions of the nature already named, or for those of any other description.  If the Lord so order it that they are not caught in the act of their iniquity, it is pretty good proof that He is willing for them to live; and I say let them live and suffer in the flesh for their sins, for they will have it to do.

“There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt.  The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it; and the judgments of the Almighty will come, sooner or later, and every man and woman will have to atone for breaking their covenants. To what degree?  Will they have to go to hell?  They are in hell enough now.  I do not wish them in a greater hell, when their consciences condemn them all the time.  Let compassion reign in our bosoms.  Try to comprehend how weak we are, how we are organized, how the spirit and the flesh are continually at war.”

Journal of Discourses Vol.4, pg.53 (Brigham Young, September 21, 1856) (PDF pg. 61)

  • There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins; and the smoking incense would atone for their sins, whereas, if such is not the case, they will stick to them and remain upon them in the spirit world. I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it is strong doctrine; but it is to save them, not to destroy them.”

Journal of Discourses Vol.4, pg.219 (Brigham Young, February 8, 1857) (PDF pg.227)

  • “Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved in the kingdom of our God and our Father, and being exalted, one who knows and understands the principles of eternal life, and sees the beauty and excellency of the eternities before him compared with the vain and foolish things of the world, and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man of woman in this house but what would say, ‘shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?’”

Blood atonement was indeed practiced by the early Mormon Church. Other forms of punishment, such as whipping and castration, were also practiced.

(Documentation for this can be found in Mormonism Shadow or Reality?by Sandra and Jerald Tanner, in Chapters 25 and 36.)

But according to 1 John 1:7, we do not need to spill our own blood to atone for sins. “…but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from ALL sin.

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